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Avelina Fitz John, d. c 20 May 1274; m. c 1257 Walter de Burgh, b. c 12 July 1271, Earl of Ulster, son of Richard de Burgh, Justice, and Egidith de Lacy. [Magna Charta Sureties]
Note: I interpret "b. c 12 July 1271" to be "d.".
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He [Walter de Burgh] married, about 1257, Aveline, sister and (in her issue) coheir of Richard FITZJOHN [LORD FITZJOHNI, 3rd daughter of John FITZGEOFFREY, Lord of Shere and Shalford, Surrey, sometime Justiciar of Ireland, by Isabel, daughter of Hugh (LE BIGOD), EARL OF NORFOLK. He died 28 July 1271 in Galway Castle, after a week's illness, and was buried in the monastery at Athassel, on the Suir, co. Tipperary. His widow died circa 20 May 1274 and was buried in Dunmow Priory. [Complete Peerage XII/2:171-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] | Fitzjohn, Avelina (I55336)
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Avelina, sister of Gundra, wife of Richard I, Duke of Normandy. [Burke's Peerage]
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The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:
From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03
Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.
Note; I have Wevia's son as Gozeline (or Godfrey) and grandfather of William de Arques. | De Crepon, Avelina (Wevia) (I70405)
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Aveline, daughter of Arnulf or Ernulf, Seigneur of Hesdin, Picardy, a large land-holder in England 1086. [Burke's Peerage] | De Hesdin, Aveline (I70415)
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Aveline; abducted 1200 by (and probably married) Duncan mac Gilbert, afterwards 1st Earl of Carrick (died 13 June 1250). [Burke's Peerage] | Stewart, Avelina Fitzwalter (I69894)
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Baldwin de Reviers, son of Richard de Reviers, Lord of Reviers, Vernon, and Nehou (all in Normandy), supported the Empress Maud against King Stephen in the period known as the Anarchy following the death of Henry I and was by her created Earl of Devon c1141. The name of Reviers was subsequently corrupted to Redvers. As well as holding the Earldom of Devon the de Revierses were Lords of the Isle of Wight. [Burke's Peerage]
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EARLDOM OF DEVON (I)
BALDWIN DE REVIERS, son and heir of Richard DE REVIERs. On the rumour of the King's
death, in April 1136, he was one of the first to break into revolt. Seizing the royal castle of Exeter, he sustained a long siege by the King, and was ultimately allowed to withdraw his forces on giving up the castle. The King then proceeded to the Isle of Wight, took possession of the island, and drove him, with his wife and children, into exile. He took refuge at the Court of the Count of Anjou, and soon afterwards conducted a successful raid into Normandy. About Lent 1138 he was taken prisoner in Normandy by Enguerrand de Say, a partisan of King Stephen. He returned to England in -the autumn of 1139,
shortly before the arrival of the Empress Maud, and, landing at Wareham, seized the castle of Corfe. This he defended successfully against the King, forcing him eventually to raise the siege. By the Empress he was created EARL OF DEVON, probably in 1141, and certainly before Midsummer in that year. He married Adelise. He died 4 June 1155, and was buried (as was his said wife) in Quarr Abbey, which he had founded in 1132. [Complete Peerage IV:311-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Baldwin de Redvers, 2nd Earl of Devon. This nobleman, upon the demise of King Henry I, espousing the cause of the Empress Maud, took up arms and immediately fortified his castle of Exeter and the Isle of Wight; but, being besieged by King Stephen, he was obliged to surrender the castle and all his other possessions and to withdraw with his family from the kingdom. We find him, however, soon again returning and in the enjoyment of the Earldom of Devon; but, like his father, generally styled Earl of Exeter, from residing in the city, His lordship m. Lucia, dau. of Dru de Balun, and had issue, Richard, his successor; William, surnamed de Verdon; and Maud. He d. in June, 1155, and was s. by his son, Richard de Redvers, 3rd Earl of Devon. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 140, Courtenay, Barons Courtenay, Earls of Devon] | Reviers, Baldwin De , 1St Earl Of Devon (I70340)
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Beatrix ----, and heiress, probably of the le Chens of Duffus. [Burke's Peerage] | Le Cheyne, Beatrix (I70089)
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Beatrix, daughter of Gilchrist, 3rd Earl of Angus. [Burke's Peerage] | Of Angus, Beatrix (I69960)
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Bef 1032 - became Earl of Mercia. [Encyclopaedia Britannica] | Of Mercia, Earl Leofric III (I70747)
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Brian Tompsett, of Royal. Beatrice married Robert de Brewes, which may not be Robert de Bruce. In which case, it must be some other mistress or 1st wife, who was born earlier than Isabel de Huntingdon. | Teyden, Beatrice De (I71039)
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Burke's Peerage actually called him "deemed 7th Earl of the 1128 Creation".
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EARLDOM OF STRATHEARN [SCT] (VII)
MALlSE, EARL OF STRATHEARN [SCT], son and heir, was born 1275-80; had livery from Edward I as a newly made knight, 1 November 1306; petitioned, with his mother, for an enquiry into the actions of his father, then in prison at Rochester, January 1306/7; and was given wine and money by Edward II, November 1309 and January 1309/10. He is said to have fought under Bruce and to have captured his father ex parte Edward II at the taking of Perth, 28 January 1312/3. He was one of the Scottish magnates who addressed the Pope in defence of Scottish independence, 6 April 1320, but little more is known of him. The name of his 1st wife is not recorded.
He married, 2ndly, perhaps circa 1323, Joan, daughter of Sir John MENTEITH of Rusky. He died before 1329. His widow married John (CAMPBELL), EARL OF ATHOLL [SCT], who was killed at Halidon Hill, 19 July 1333. She married, 3rdly (dispensation 11 July 1339), Maurice (MORAY), EARL OF STRATHEARN [SCT] (so created 1344), who was killed at Neville's Cross, 17 October 1346. She married, 4thly, as his 2nd wife (post nuptial dispensation 9 November 1347), William (SUTHERLAND), 5th EARL OF SUTHERLAND [SCT], who died about 1370. She was living, 20 March 1366/7, but the date of her death is not known. [Complete Peerage XII/1:385, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)] | Strathearn, Malise 7Th Earl Of , Sir (I70020)
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Burke's Peerage, on the Earldom of Carrick
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Duncan, a grandson by a junior line of Fergus, the Celtic ruler of Galloway, was recognised by King William (The Lion) of Scots as overlord of the area of Galloway known as Carrick and made Earl of thereof by 1196. His granddaughter Margaret was Countess of Carrick in her own right but when she married Robert de Bruce he became Earl of Carrick in right of his wife. It was his son, another Robert, who was the celebrated Robert "The Bruce" and became King of Scots in 1306. From this moment on the Earldom of Carrick became increasingly closely connected with the royal house. Indeed in 1469 an Act of the Scottish Parliament ruled that it should be evermore annexed to the eldest sons of the Kings of Scots, and it remains to this day one of the Scottish titles of the Prince of Wales.
Click here for Photo of Carrick Castle (use browser back arrow to return) | Of Carrick, Earl Duncan (I69893)
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Came with William the Conqueror. In 1092 (shortly before his death) William II Rufus drove the Scots from the Lake District and gave Kendal to Ivo de Taillebois, whose descendants maintained an interest in the town until the nineteenth century.
No published source that I have gives parents for Ives/Ivo. World Connect/rootsweb was the source of Gatinais/Anjou as parents, and I have seen references in soc.genealogy.medieval as "of Anjou" which fits with his mother. The book "Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families" does give a reliable account of his origins in Cristot, Calvados,Normandy, although that is not where he was necessarily born, and he may have held other lands than just Cristot.
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The following concerns Ivo's origins in Normandy, prior to the conquest:
Taillebois.
Cristot: Calvados, arr. Caen, cant. Tily-sur-Seulles.
A note in the cartulary of La Trinite de Vendome mentions a copy of the grant of the church and patronage of Cristot by Ives Taillebois to the abbey. An account of Cristot is given in Beziers, "Diocese de Bayeux, vol ii, p. 192. [Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]
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The following is a post to SGM, 22 Oct 2001, by Rosie Bevan (gives details of Ivo's claim to Kendal):
From: Rosie Bevan (cbevan@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Taillebois [was Gundred de Warenne, Countess of Warwick)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-10-22 17:57:13 PST
Hi Todd
Yes, I agree in the normal course of events, it was very unusual for a Norman to name a son by an English name. On the face of it, this family appears to have been a mix of Norman, Saxon and Scandinavian and blood. The barony of Kendal was granted to Ivo de Taillebois, who died about 1089, by William Rufus and during the reign of Henry I it passed to Ketel son of Eldred, lord of Workington. Ketel was followed by his son Gilbert and Gilbert by his son William of Lancaster. Dugdale in Monasticon [v.5, p.249] claims that William was called Taillebois and by permission from the king (Henry II) changed his name to Lancaster. [Sanders p.56]. Why he would need permission, I'm not sure. Ketel also had a son Orm which I think is also a Scandinavian name. I think it is important to remember that this was at the northern tip of the Norman empire in England where Norman influence and culture was not initially quite so important locally and the north of England has always had a different culture and perspective from the south. Cumberland was not even covered in the Domesday Book.
Whether there is a genetic link between Ivo de Taillebois and Eldred is not absolutely clear but for Eldred to have been born to Ivo, he (Ivo) would have had to have married a very high status Saxon lady (his marriage to Countess Lucy was evidently contracted late in life). For Eldred to have had a son with a Norwegian name he would have had to have married a high status Norwegian lady. Ketel appears to have maried a Norman lady although Orm, Ketel's son, was reputedly married to Gunnild da. of Gospatric and granddaughter of Harold II. I am no expert on this period (and it probably shows) so would appreciate informed comment from someone who has studied
this line.
Cheers
Rosie
Note: I at one time had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois, but have subsequently changed it based on later information to his son Ketel (Chetell) marrying a daughter of Ivo, thus explaining the relationship.
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The following information on Ivo was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:
Not much to hang your hat on, but...
Ivo de Talboys. Also called 'cut-bush'. Married Lucy. In charge of siege of Hereward the Wake at Ely, 1069. Steward to William II. Holdings in Lincs. and Norfolk.
[Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]
The Lancasters are said to be descendants of Ivo de Taillebois and as William was governor of Lancaster Castle assumed the name accordingly. [Stemma Ivonis de Tayleboyse (ex registro S. Mar Ebor New Monast iii 553) Ivo is stated to have had issue Elthred, the father of Ketel, the father of Gilbert, father of Wm of Lancaster who married Gundreda Countess of Warwick. Ketellus filius Elredi was donor of various property to the Abbey of St Mary, York. [Ref: Rosie Bevan 21 Oct 2001 citing The Topographer and Genealogist 1846 p15] note: "is stated" is usually a subtle reference to a difference of opinion amongst scholars... Curt
Regards,
Curt | De Taillebois, Baron Ives (Ivo) (I70262)
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Catherine, daughter of Sir John Stirling of Edzell and heiress of Glenesk. [Burke's Peerage]
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About the middle of the fourteenth century the male line of the Stirlings of Glenesk failed in two co-heiresses. One of these ladies, Catherine Stirling, was married to Sir Alexander Lindsay, third son of Sir David of Crawford, and she was the mother of the first Earl of Crawford. The other daughter was married to Robert de Atholia, grandson of Angus - Lord of the Isles. He succeeded to the Inverness and Moray portion of the Stirling estates; Sir Alexander Lindsay inherited the Angus section of them, and they formed a noble domain. Catherine Stirling died some time before 1378, as Sir Alexander Lindsay had married his second wife, Marjory Stuart, cousin to Robert, Duke of Albany, prior to that date. | Stirling, Catherine (I70117)
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Christian Lascelles (probably cognate with Leslie). [Burke's Peerage] | Lascelles, Christian (I71327)
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Christian Stewart; m. James de Dundas, 11th Lord of that Ilk, d. bef. Nov 1451. * * * This marriage & reputed daughter [Miss Dundas who married Sir Alexander Livingston] are not metioned in the Dundas pedigree in J. Drummond's "Histories of the Families of Dunbar, Hume, and Dundas" (1844). Chronology bad. * * * [Magna Charta Sureties] | Dundas, Lord James (I69920)
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Christian Stewart; m. James de Dundas, d. bef. Nov 1451. * * * This marriage & reputed daughter [Miss Dundas who married Sir Alexander Livingston] are not metioned in the Dundas pedigree in J. Drummond's "Histories of the Families of Dunbar, Hume, and Dundas" (1844). Chronology bad. * * * [Magna Charta Sureties] | Stewart, Christian (I69921)
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Christian, 2nd daughter of James Dundas of Dundas. [Burke's Peerage] | Dundas, Christian (I69919)
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Christian, daughter & heir of Sir William d'Irby, and widow, successivley of Sir Thomas de Lascelles who dsp bef Aug 1261, and Sir Adam de Gesemuth who d. between 27 July 1270 and 23 April 1274 [Magna Charta Sureties] | Irby, Christian D' (I70053)
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Christiana [Keith], married Sir William Lindsay of the Byres. [Burke's Peerage, p. 1610] | Keith, Christiana (I70159)
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Christina in (Fig.2 in the chart as wife of Chetell, d. aft. 1120) is suggested as the dau. of Ivo Taillebois and Lucy. In a charter by William I (Published by Ragg in 1909) he confirms a grant of his "avunculus" Chetell. Hence Chetell is understood by W & M to be the brother of Goditha. The value of this charter on this point was apparently challenged by James Wilson in his *Register of St Bees* (1915). I am in no position to comment further on the point at issue here. [Richard Borthwick] | Taillebois, Christina De (I70287)
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Church # 14
"Under this marble is hidden what the earth has regained and love must miss of well breed and well born H. Jacob Anders en Disching Thun Harbormaster on St. Croix. Born in Bergen in Norway the 29th of August 1723. Ready to leave for his beloved fatherland he soon longed for his most beloved the 9th of May 1776. "Reader Prepare Yourself.""
(Gravestone at Lord God of Sabaoth Lutheran Church, Christiansted, St. Croix) | Dishington, Jacob Andersen (I60513)
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Click here for Photo of Bothwell Castle (use browser back arrow to return) | Moray, Thomas , Lord Of Bothwell, Sir (I70005)
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Click here for Photo of Bothwell Castle (use browser back arrow to return) | Moray Of Bothwell, Sir Andrew (I70011)
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Click here for Photo of Dunollie Castle (use browser back arrow to return)
Click here for Photo of Dunstaffnage Castle (use browser back arrow to return) | Of Lorn, Laird Alasdair Mac Donnchadh (I69977)
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Click here for Photo of Dunollie Castle (use browser back arrow to return) | Of Lorn, Laird Eoghan Mac Donnchadh (I69979)
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Click here for Photo of Paisley Abbey (use browser back arrow to return) | Fitzalan, Marjory (I70442)
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Companion of William I at Battle of Hastings. [Ancestral Roots]
Turton, p. 9 has Ameline (2nd wife) as mother of Eleanor de Thouars. | Thouars, Aimery IV Vicomte De (I70543)
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Complete Peerage, Appendix I.
William Peverel the younger, one of the principal supportors of KING STEPHEN, was a commander at the Battle of the Standard and was taken prisoner at the Battle of Lincoln. His estates were forfeited for a time, and his castle of Nottingham was committed by THE EMPRESS [MAUD] to William Paynel. He recovered it in 1143. His wives were Odonna and AVICE DE LANCASTRIA, who was presumably a daughter of Count Roger the Poitevin (cognomine Pictaviensis), Lord of the honour of Lancaster, by his wife Aumodis, Countess of La Marche. He had a son Henry, and a daughter, Margaret, eventually, or in her issue, his heir, and a wife of Robert, Earl of Ferrers.
About March 1152/3 HENRY, Duke of Normandy [the future King HENRY II] and count of Anjou, by a charter expedited at Devizes, formulated what he was prepared to give to [RANULF DE GERNON] the Earl of Chester, as the price of his support; not indeed, even to the half of the kingdom, but yet no inconsiderable portion of it. It ought to be unnecessary to have to state that these extensive grants never took effect. Nine months afterwards, in Dec. 1153, THE EARL died, poisoned, as men said, by William Peverel.
Shortly after his accession to the throne, KING HENRY II visited Nottinghamshire, in order, as the annalists state, to disinherit William Peverel for having poisoned THE EARL, but more probably to punish him for what had previously been termed his wickedness and treason. William, on THE KING's approach, retired to one of his religious foundations where he became a monk. The honor of Peverel remained in the Crown for nearly half a century. [Complete Peerage, Appendix I, pp. 762-5 (English/non-Latin portion of text)]
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The following information was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yaoo.com:
of Nottingham, the younger; one of the chief supporters of King Stephen [Ref: Watney #779]
1137: a commander at the battle of The Standard [Ref: Watney #779]
Peverel, William. Perhaps illegitimate son of William I by his mistress; took name of Peverel from stepfather who married her. Large holdings in Notts. and Derby. Also in 6 other counties. [Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]
Of Willelm Peurel (sic) de Nottingham, Keats-Rohan has this to say: Norman, major tenant-in-chief centred upon Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire. There is no direct evidence of any relationship with Ranulf Peverel . . . but it is highly likely that they were related and possibly quite closely. . . . By his wife Adeline he had issue two sons named William of whom one predeceased him and a daughter Adeliz . . . died 1113/4 . . . on the honour of Peverel see HKF i, 146ff. [Honors and Knights' Fees, W. Farrer, 3 vols, Manchester, 1923-5] [Ref: Renia Simmonds 18 Mar 2002 message to Gen-Medieval]
[Note: the above text from CP, Appendix I (as transcribed by Jim Stevens) was attached here, with several omissions and mistakes. I have corrected the text to agree with what is stated in CP and placed it above.]
Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Derby, p. 192), identifies him as MARGARET's father. [Ref: Jim Stevens: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jast/index.html] Note: I have removed Jim's "RIN" (ID #'s) from the above & there are several sentences that may have been miscopied/reworded as they don't make sense = see where I have added (sic)... Curt
Regards,
Curt | Peverel, William "The Younger" , Of Nottingham (I54977)
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Complete Peerage, IV Appendix I.
Of William Peverel of Nottingham, the elder, very little is known. He is usually said to have been an illegitimate son of the Conqueror, but as this statement cannot be traced farther back than to the time of the Tudors, it is worth little, or nothing. His wife's name was Adeline, and he had at least four children -- William, who dvp., another William, who succeeded him, and two daughters, Maud, and Adelise, wife of Richard de Reviers. The Conqueror gave him extensive possessions, afterwards known as the honour of Peverel, consisting of about 100 lordships in cos. Notts and Northants, 14 in co. Derby, and some 20 in cos. Bucks, Leicester, Oxford, Beds, Berks, and Essex. He founded the Priory of St. James at Nottingham and that of Lenton in the same county. In the foundation chater of the latter he stated that it was founded. . . He died 28 Jan 1113/4. [Complete Peerage IV:Appendix I, pp. 761-2]
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The following information was excerpted from a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:
The claim has been made that William Peverel was a bastard son of William the Conqueror. The source for this is an old pedigree in which Peverel appears to have been added to the family of William. There is no other documentation which presents a relationship supporting Peverel's placement as a royal bastard (there are a few grants from the king, but there is no indication that these represent anything special). In addition, William had no other documented bastards, which suggests that if he did have any, he didn't bother keeping track of them. The more recent authors that I have seen have tended not to favor such a relationship as being accurate. [Ref: TAF 15 Nov 1996]
Derbyshire and the Domesday Book in 1086
William de Peverel, the next major land holder in Derbyshire, was somewhat of a mystery. There are strong claims he was the bastard son of Duke William of Normandy in a relationship with Maud, daughter of a Saxon noble, Ingleric. Whether this lady was married to Ranulph? before or after the relationship is uncertain. The difficulty in the argument is one of timing. If he, William Peveral, appears in 1068 in charge of Nottingham Castle, he must have been at least twenty years old. That makes this liaison between Duke William and Maud somewhere around 1046 and must have been in Normandy. This is supported by both William and his half brother, Ranulf, both being of age, were recorded at the Battle of Hastings. Nevertheless, William Peveral became the holder of Nottingham Castle, and a further 162 lordships and manors throughout England and Wales, including the Peak Castle in Derbyshire, all granted by Duke William of Normandy. The grant almost blended the distinction of the two counties, Nottingham and Derby and courts of assize were held alternately between the two jurisdictions. The royal relationship of William Peveral was further clouded by Ranulph Peverel, legitmate son of Maud and Ranulph, half brother of William, possibly treated (theoretically) as a stepson? of the Duke, who, surprisingly, was granted 64 manors, almost as many as William Peverel (69 manors) in Nottingham. From Ranulph is descended the distinguished baronial family of Peverel and its many branches. William Peverel, on the other hand, married Adelina, daughter of Roger de Poitou (see Earl of Lancaster, and Lancashire and the Domesday, on this Web Site) and acquired, through her, many lordships in Lancashire, probably a few years after the Domesday around 1094 or soon after. when Roger died. William was succeeded by his second son, William Peverel.
This Peverel mystery could all be wrapped up with some small conjecture. Maud could have been a Saxon lady who was in the train of Edward the Confessor in his thirty year exile in Normandy, and, after the liaison with the Duke, Maud later married Ranulph, a Norman noble in Normandy. This latter's background is unclear, but he must obviously have made the grade at the Norman Court. Hence, both half brothers were of age, and at the Battle of Hastings with the Duke. The Duke was not without favour to both.
William Peverel Holdings; Derbyshire 1086: Abney, Bolsover Bradwell, Codnor, Glapwell, Hazlebadge, Heanor, Hucklow, Langley, Litton, Shirland, South Normanton, South Wingfield, Uftonfields [Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Derbyshire.htm]
In 1086 the Doomsday book was produced and a publication on this book was produced (edited) by Thomas Hinde and published by Hutchinson, ISBN 09 161830 4... From page 338 it gives a list of major landholders and, on page 341
are two very intriguing entries :
Ranulf Peverel, married former mistress of William I (the Conqueror).
Holdings in Berks., Norfolk, Oxon. and Suffolk.
William Peverel. Perhaps illegitimate son of William I by his mistress; took name of Peverel from stepfather, who married her. Large holdings in Notts. and Derbys. Also in six other counties. [Ref: Leo van de Pas 1 Jan 2001]
William Peverel is shown in Domesday People by Keats-Rohan as Willelm Peurel de Nottingeham, where it says of him, that there is no direct evidence of any relationship with Ranulf Peverel... but it is highly likely they were related and possibly quite closely. They both held lordships in west Normandy, Ranuld at Vengeons, Manche, Sourdeval, and William at "Turgistorp". He had a brother, Robert, and by his wife Adeline, he had issue two sons named William, of whom one predeceased him, and a daughter Adeliz who married Richard I de Redvers. He died 28 Jan 1113/14.
Ranulf Peuerel was from Vengeons. His wife Athelida was a confrater of St Albans. Keats-Rohan refers to the "spurious account of this marriage, with Ranulf's wife converted into an Ingelrica, mistress of William I, as printed in Mon. Ang. iii, is unworthy of repetition". His successor was his son William, died before 1129/30. [Ref: Renia Simmonds 2 Jan 2001]
"William the Conqueror" by David C Douglas, Yale University Press, New Haven and London 1964, reprinted 1999 makes no mention of any mistress or bastard children of William the Conqueror. Neither are the Peverels mentioned.
In case anyone is still curious about the legend, a discussion of William Peverel's parentage by the Victorian herald, J.R.Planche, is on Pat Patterson's site at:
http://patpnyc.com/reading.shtml
Planche actually defends the story that William Peverel was an illegitimate son of the Conqueror, despite its having already been rejected by "Eaton" (Eyton?), and by Freeman, "with contempt and indignation". The only sources cited for the story are post-medieval, and Planche's least tenuous piece of corroborative evidence seems to be that William Peverel, when founding a priory, made no provision for his parents' souls, but did so for the souls of King William and Queen Matilda, with other members of the royal family. (If anything, this seems to be an argument in favour of his being a "legitimate" son of the Conqueror!) [Ref: Chris Phillips 2 Jan 2001] | Peverel, William (I53843)
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Constance was a 1st cousin of the half blood to Gilbert, which makes marriage somewhat questionable, but would explain why Gilbert finally received the Countship of Eu, which his father had, but only after William was Count in the period between father and son. | De Eu, Constance (I52799)
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Copied from "Douglas Family" by Mark Freeman, freepages.genalogy.rootsweb.com/~markfreeman/douglas.html:
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Sister of the Red Comyn killed by Robert Bruce. In right of this lady, as only heiress of Marjory Baliol, the 1st Earl of Douglas claimed the crown in oppsition to Robert II, 1370. It is doubtful whether Dornagilla was daughter of the Black Comyn, or daughter of the Red, consequently grand-daughter of the Black Comyn. By their decent from Achaius this family is entitled to quarter his doubled treasured lion of Scotland. | Comyn, Dornagilda (I69958)
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Copied from www.macdougall.org/heritage.html:
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As a Highland clan, the MacDougalls are one of the three oldest in existence dating from 1164 when Dougall, Somerled's oldest son and the clan's patronymic forebear, inherited the central portion of his father's kingdom. Dougall's heritage from the Gael and the Norse is shown in the present arms of the MacDougall Chiefs which quarter the lion of the ancient Scottish Kingdom of Dalriada and the black royal galley of the Norse. From their principal seats of Dunstaffnage and Dunollie Castles, The MacDougall Lords of Lorn and chiefs of the clan exerted a major influence in what is now Argyll and in the islands to the west. This era of widespread power ended during the first years of the 14th century when the MacDougalls chose the losing side in the struggle for the Scottish throne. | Of Argyll, King Dubhgall (Dougall) Macsomerled (I70511)
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Count of Champagne & Aumale; Earl of Holderness; lost titles to uncle Theobold III. Imprisoned in 1096. | De Champagne, Count Eudes (I70299)
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CP states that Hugh was of Brozes, which I cannot find anywhere. For once I think I will go with Turton, who says "Broyes", or in another place "Broye". Perhaps they are all names for the same place. | De Brozes, Seigneur Hugh Bardoul (I70948)
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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofeman@yahoo.com, wrote in a post-em:
A charter for Daint-Pere of Chartres, which was passed before 1061, and probably before 1053, show that at the time the family had then obtained full lordship of Vernon, together with its castle; and William of Vernon retained tis lordship until after the Norman conquest, his last recorded act being in 1077 when he made a grant to the monestary of Le Bec. It is rare indeed that the origin of a Norman territorial family of the second class can be illustrated with this particularity from the independent charters of four religious houses. [Ref: Wm. the C., Douglas, p87
Regards,
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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofeman@yahoo.com, wrote in a post-em:
I've never seen a marriage to a (?) de Centerville. Possibly because you list no source, this is speculative or maybe from a less than reliable source like Ancestry.com or familysearch.org? If so, no need to respond.
Few Norman families of the elventh century were more powerful than those of Tosny and Beaumont, but the same period also witnessed the rise of many lesser houses, and of these the first family of Vernon may be taken as an example. When, some time between 1032 and 1035 Duke Robert I [of Normandy] gave land to Saint-Wandrille at Sierville, some ten miles north of Rouen, he did so with the consent of a certain 'Hugh of Vernon,' and other documents show that the family of Hugh had already become possessed of other estates in this district, for in 1053 William of Vernon, together with his father Hugh, who had by now become a monk, gave to Holy Trinity, Rouen, land at Martainville within five miles of the city. It is possible that the full lordship of Vernon passed to this family sometime between these dates. Early in the reign of Duke William he had given Vernon to his cousin Guy of Burgundy, and Guy's disgrace and forfeiture after 1047 may well have provided the opportunity for the rise of the new family. [Ref: "William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England", by David C. Douglas, 1964, University of California Press,Berkey & LA, CA p87]
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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, posted the following, which indicated a source which recently suggested that the mother of Isabelle was not Lucienne, 1st wife of Louis VI, but a Marie de Breuillet. I have not seen any further discussion of this within the Gen-Medieval newgroup, so I think it is too early to say:
ES II:11 indicates b. (1088)=circa 1088, father: Guichard III
Research note 1: According to the current edtion, LES CAPETIENS, by van Kerrebrouck, p 83, the mother of Isabelle, dtr of Louis VI, is Marie de Breuillet, dtr of Renaud de Breuillet. [Ref: Robert S Baxter message to Gen-Medieval 21 Apr 2002]
Research note 2: mother: Adelaide de Crecy
Research note 3: mother: Elise de Corbeil
ES II:11, ES XI:156 = m1 1104 Louis VI 'le Gros' K of F. Divorced (annulled) 1107.
Louis VI was engaged to Lucienne de Rochefort [the same as de Montlhery], but the marriage was not consummated and was annulled on grounds of consanguinity by the council of Troyes presided over by Pope Pascal II. [Ref: Robert S Baxter message to Gen-Medieval 21 Apr 2002 citing: LES CAPETIENS, p 79 et seq, by van Kerrebrouck]. Research note: who was the common ancestor of Lucienne and Louis? Also, was dau Isabelle legitimated when they married then again made illegimate upon annullment?
m2 nach (after) 23.V 1107 [Ref: ES III:624, ES XI:156] um (about) 1107 [Ref: ES II:11] to Guichard.
d. nach (after) 1137 [Ref: ES III:624]
Regards,
Curt | Montlhery, Lucienne De (I70687)
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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, wrote in a post-em:
[concerning the Norman family of Monfort-sur-Risle]. The first known ancestor of this house is Thurstan of Bastembourg who appears in a ducal charter of 1027 as possessed of land at Pont-Authou, and who, perhaps, also subscribed two charters for Saint-Wandrille which passed to the ducal court at about the same time. This Thurstan has a daughter, with whom the notorious Gere of Echauffour fell in love at first sight while dining with her father and also two sons - William Bertram, who can perhaps be seen in charters for Le Mont-Saint-Michel, and Hugh I of Montfort (some five miles from Pont-Anthou) who perished in the private wars with Walchelin of Ferrieres during the anarchy [of Duke William's minority]. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964 University of California Press, Berkeley & LA, CA p88] | De Montfort, Thurstan (Toussaint) Bastembourg (I70771)
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Custodian of Eye Castle in Suffolk. Lord of Little Easton. | De Lovaine, Sir Matthew (I69964)
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David de Lindsay, 1st Earl of Crawford, so created between 21 April and 2 May 1398; justiciary 1289, Sheriff Banff; inherited from cousin as 9th feudal Lord of Crawford 1397; represented the chivalry of Scotland in what contemporary chroniclers refer to as a "passage of arms" (i.e. a friendly joust) with Lord Welles on 23 April (St George's Day) 1390 on London Bridge before Richard II and his Queen Anne of Bohemia, when he unhorsed his opponent; Admiral of Scotland 1403, Ambassador to England 1404 and 1406; acquired the feudal Lordship of Strathnairn from his wife. [Burke's Peerage] | Lindsay Of Crawford, Earl David (I70115)
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David, EARL OF HUNTINGDON &C., by Maud, 1st sister and coheir of Ranulph (DE BLUNDEVILLE), EARL OF CHESTER. [Complete Peerage]
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on the history of the Earldom of Huntingdon:
After Earl Simon's [Matilda's 1st husband] death, his Widow married David I of Scotland, who consequently became Earl of Huntingdon too, keeping the Earldom even after he succeeded his brother as King of Scots. He sided with the Empress Maud against Stephen I but came to terms with the latter and made the Earldom over to his son Henry. Henry swore fealty to Stephen but subsequently fought against him under the Scottish banner, which may account for Simon de St Liz's son, another Simon, being recognized as Earl of Huntingdon before Henry's death in 1152. Thereafter the Earldom was more or less bounced back and forth between the de St Liz family and the Kings of Scotland, first being held 1157-65 by Malcolm the Maiden and (1165-74) by his brother William The Lion, King of Scots, then by a Simon de St Liz (grandson of the first Simon and son of the second) from 1174 to 1184.
When the third Simon de St Liz died in 1184 he left no surviving issue and David, younger brother of the Kings of Scots just mentioned, assumed the Earldom from 1185 (on the handing over of it to him by William the Lion) till it was taken away from him in 1215 or 1216 by King John. He got it back again in 1218, however. [Burke's Peerage]
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David, Earl of Huntingdon, accompanied King Richard I to the Holy Land with 500 men in his train; but upon his return, his fleet being shattered, his lordship was made prisoner by the Egyptians and eventually redeemed by the Venetians. He m. Maud, dau. of Hugh Kyvelioc, and sister and co-heir of Ralph, Earl of Chester, and had surviving issue, John surnamed Le Scot, Margaret, Isabel, Ada, Maud. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883] | Of Huntingdon, Earl David (I71018)
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Devorgilla founded Sweetheart Abbey in memory of her husband, John Balliol. They are both buried there. | Galloway, Devorgilla Of (I54315)
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Domesday Tenant of Yorkshire & Lincolnshire | D'arches, Osbern (I70305)
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Donald (Sir),6th Earl of Mar; knighted 1270; one of the leading Scottish nobles who recognised Alexander III's daughter Margaret as heir to the throne after her father's death Feb 1283/4; following Margaret's death 1290 supported Robert the Bruce but was one of the seven Earls of Scotland who referred a decision in the matter to Edward I of England, to whom he swore fealty as overlord 13 June 1291; nevertheless was a leading participant in the Scottish Uprising against the English shortly afterwards, being captured by them following the Battle of Dunbar 27 April 1296 and renewing his allegiance to Edward I thereafter. [Burke's Peerage]
Donald, Earl of Mar, by his 1st wife Helen, daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41-5]
Donald, Earl of Mar, by Helen or Elen, illegitimate daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, widow of Malcolm, Earl of Fife. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41b-5]
Donald, Earl of Mar, was knighted 1270, living 25 July 1297, d. shortly thereafter. His wife, and mother of Isabel, was Helen, widow of Malcolm, 7th Earl of Fife, d. 1266, and daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of North Wales. [Ancestral Roots, Line 252-30] | De Mar, Earl Donald (I69911)
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Doomesday Lord Tennant in Yorkshire | Fitzbaldric, Hugh (I70329)
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Duncan Wallace, Sheriff of Ayrshire from 1359 to 1373, erected Sundrum Castle, and died probably between 1373 and 1376 when his wife Eleanor remarried. He was definitley dead by 1384 when Sundrum Castle was given to his nephew Alan de Cathcart, because Duncan had no heirs. | Wallace, Duncan , Sheriff Of Ayrshire, Sir (I70044)
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Duncan, 4th Earl of Mar [3rd Earl was elder brother Gilchrist], which dignity he held by 29 Aug 1228, though his right to it was challenged at some point prior to 1231; witness to the Anglo Scottish agreement sealed autumn 1237. [Burke's Peerage] | De Mar, Sir Duncan (I71060)
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EARL OF CARRICK (V)
Sir Edward de Bruce, 2nd son of Margaret, suo jure Countess of Carrick, by her 2nd husband, Robert de Bruce, was, by his eldest brother King Robert I, created, shortly before 14 Oct 1313, Earl of Carrick (Scot), with remainder to the heirs male of his body. He appears to have been also Lord of Galloway. The Irish and Scots in Ulster, having been oppressed by the English, he landed at Carrickfergus, 25 May 1315, and, on 2 May 1316, was crowned KING OF IRELAND.
He is said to have m. Isabel, daughter of John (of Strathbogie), Earl of Atholl, by Margaret, daughter of Donald, Earl of Mar. He had a dispensation for marriage (which probably never took place) 1 June 1317, with Isabel, daughter of William, Earl of Ross. He dsp. legit, being slain at the battle of Dundalk, 14 Oct 1318, when the Earldom reverted to the Crown. [Complete Peerage III:56-57]
Note: The above states he is said to have married Isabel Strathbogie, and dsp. legit. The article on his son Alexander states that Alexander was Edward's illegitimate son by Isabel, sister of David Strathbogie (who is the same Isabel mentioned above: David, Earl of Atholl was son of John Earl of Atholl). So were Edward and Isabel married or what? | Bruce, Edward , "King" Of Ireland, Earl Of Carrick (I70037)
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Edelrad [son of Malcolm III], apparently Earl of Fife, who fl. early 12th century and was also Abbot of Dunkeld; possibly the same person as Eth. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2538]
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Burke's Peerage, page 1058, on the Earldom of Fife, previous creations:
Fife, constituted one of the Mormaerships into which much of pre-1st Millennium Scotland was divided. By the beginning of the 12th century the former Mormaer of Fife was beginning to be called Earl of Fife. The first of the new designation seems to have been Beth, who as either Earl of Fife or Moray (more probably the former) is recorded as having been active in 1115. (The historic figure Macbeth was son of a Mormaer of Moray, and since "Mac" means "son of" there may be a connection.) However, another figure referred to as Earl of Fife about the same time, that is to say during the reign of David I (reigned 1124-1153), is a shadowy personage called in contemporary documents either "Ed" or "Head" and identified by leading authorities with Edelread, son of Malcolm III (reigned 1058-93). Yet a third Earl of Fife appears to have existed in the person of Constantine, who died in the late 1120's. (It is possible that "Ed/Head" was really Earl of Forthreve.
The first person to hold the Earldom of Fife on a hereditary basis may well have been Gillemicel MacDuff, who died about the mid-1130's. Certainly the title remained in his family, passing almost always from father to son, till 1353, when the 8th Earl's only child, Elizabeth or Isabel, became Countess of Fife. She married four times, each of her husbands being known as Earl of Fife in right of his wife. She died without issue, having made over the Earldom to her second husband's brother Robert Stewart, Earl of Menteith, her 2nd husband and he being second and third sons respectively of Robert II.
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EARLDOM OF FIFE (SCT) (I)
Beth, who, as "Beth, Comes" was witness to the charter of Scone in 1115, may not improbably be considered as Earl of Fife, though possibly as Earl of Moray. There appears also to have been one "Ed [Edelrad?] Comes" or "Head, Comes" in charters temp. David I, who probably was Edelrad (son of Malcolm III), Abbot of Dunkeld, and, according to some accounts, Earl of Fife. This "Ed, Comes" was contemporary with Earl Beth and with Earl Constantine, his successor. [Complete Peerage V:372] | Of Moray, Earl Ethelred (I70490)
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EARLDOM OF ANGUS (SCT) (IV) 1197?
Gilchrist, 4th Earl of Angus, brother and heir [of Adam]. He was witness in 1198 to a document in the Chartulary of Arbroath Abbey (no. 148), to which Abbey he was a great benefactor. He d. between 1207 and 1211. [Complete Peerage I:146]
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Angus is an ancient administrative unit, although it has seen a few name changes this century. Before the name change to Angus County in 1928, it was known as Forfarshire.
Forfar has been the seat of a sheriff from the 12th century and several of the Scottish Kings of the house of Canmore stayed in the royal castle of Forfar.
Prior to the sons of Malcolm Canmore and the saintly Queen Margaret ruling Scotland, the area was known as Angus and was usually linked with the Mearns (Kincardine) or Gowrie. During this period it was clearly an administrative unit, ruled by a Mormaer. Mormaer was a celtic term meaning 'great steward' and gave way to the term 'Earl' by the late 12th century. The earliest recorded was Earl Gilchrist, Mormaer of Angus, who gave Kirriemuir to the Abbey of Arbroath in 1178. [Ref: http://www.angus.gov.uk/history/features/ansname.htm]
Somerled (Lord of the Isles) being no less ambitious than great, raised an army, and invaded the territories of Malcolm IV. who succeeded David, was joined by Donald, son of Malcolm MacBeth, who had been at the head of a formidable rebellion in the preceeding reign; but king Malcolm sent the brave Gilchrist, earl of Angus, against them, who defeated them, took Donald prisoner, and obliged Somerled to fly to Ireland, anno 1157. [Ref: http://www.macleodgenealogy.com/ACMS/D0084/I79.html citing: Sir Robert Douglas of Glenbervie, PEERAGE OF SCOTLAND, Edinburgh, 1764?, pp. 357ff. I.]
There seems to be much debate re: the wives of Gilchrist & little definitive primary documentation. From Gen-Medieval archives:
Ref: Don Matson 29 Apr 2003:
Gilchrist, 4th Earl of Mar b.ca. 1154 d. ca. 1209. Was he married 3 times to.... ???
1. Marjory, of Huntington ca. 1169
2. Ingibiorg Ericksdottir bef. 1174
3. Margary Haroldsdottir bef. 1184
Note: the response was more or less "go look it up yourself" with a list of websites that have lists of books to research (NONE of which have the answer either, just speculation... Curt)
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Ref: John P. Ravilious 22 May 2001:
...Gilchrist, Earl of Angus, d. ca. 1204 (married)... (possibly Ingeborg), sister of Harald Ungi, joint Earl of Caithness and Jarl of the Orkneys, probably second wife of Gilchrist [for theory behind her 'identity' see SP Vol II p. 315, 317]. *A daughter Ingeborg is named in the Orkneyinga Saga.
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Ref: John P. Ravilious 15 Sep 2000 (renumbered & much before & after the below is omitted...Curt):
1. Rognvald [originally Kali] Kolsson, Jarl of Orkney 1131-1158 [joint with Harald Madadhsson in Caithness, 1139-1158]
issue by unknown wife:
11. Ingigerd Rognvaldsdottir, m. Eric 'Slagbrellir'
issue by this husband:
111. Harald 'Ungi', Jarl of Orkney [joint with Harald Madadhsson] 1158 -
112. Ingeborg Ericsdottir, m. as 2nd wife Gilchrist, Earl of Angus 1157-1204 [by first wife, he was father of Duncan, later Earl of Angus, and or Beatrix of Angus, wife of Walter le Stewart, Lord High Steward of Scotland, d. 1241]
... The problem connection (other than the construct re: the descent through the Earls of Angus) is the marriage that brought the claim to the Jarldom of the Orkneys to the indicated branch of the family of Gilchrist, Earl of Angus: This connection was adopted by Balfour Paul (Scots Peerage) from a previous writer, who gives no clear indication of which branch the Angus family was allied to (that of Harald Madadhsson isn't necessarily ruled out) determined that it must be through the Rognvald Kolsson line, as the name Magnus [as in the Jarl of Orkney, 1232-1239] indicates a connection with the branch to which St. Magnus [Erlendsson] belongs.
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[Ref: Leo van de Pas 14 Apr 1999:
The Complete Peerage Volume I page 146
Gilchrist, Earl of Angus, who died between 1207 and 1211 according to footnate a, It has been said, but it is doubtful, that his wife was Maud, of Marjory, sister of King William the Lion...
"The Great Historic Families of Scotland" by James Taylor published in 1889, republished in 1995, page 69:
The first of the chieftains of the province of Angus who bore the designation of Earl was Gilchrist. A singular story regarding him is related by Buchanan, on the authority of an old chronicle. For the great services which this powerful noble performed to the Crown he received the hand of the king's sister in marriage. She, however, proved unfaithful to her marriage vow, and he caused her to be put to death. This murder so enraged the king---William the Lion---against Gilchrist etc.........Gilchrist and his two sons etc.
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Ref: Marlyn Lewis 18 Jun 1997:
Gilchrist, 3rd Earl of Angus, d. 1207; md.
(1) (Miss) Maddadson (dau of Harold Maddadson, Earl of Caithness, Co-Jarl of Orkney, b. 1130, d. 1206, son of Madach, Earl of Athol and Margaret of Orkney md. (married) (1) Aufrica, sister of Duncan, Earl of Fife; (2) Gormflaeth (Hvafleda) MacHeth (= mother of wife of Gilchrist. She was dau of Malcolm II MacHeth, Earl of Moray))
(2) Ingebiorg of Orkney.
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Ref: Jared Olar 30 Jan 1996:
...As for Margery de Huntingdon, wife of Gilchrist, I have encountered a statement that Gilchrist's wife was this Margery, but haven't been able to find any support...Scots Peerage's article on the Earls of Angus says nothing of Margery de Huntingdon, nor is she mentioned at volume I page 12.
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