 Abt 1033 - 1088 (55 years)
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| Name |
Robert II De Todeni |
| Birth |
Abt 1033 |
Belvoir, Leicestershire, England  |
| Gender |
Male |
| Death |
1088 |
Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England [2] |
| Burial |
Chapel At Belvoir Castle |
| Person ID |
I53879 |
Cecilie Family |
| Last Modified |
2 Jan 2010 |
| Father |
Roger II "The Spaniard" De Toeni, b. Abt 990, Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France d. Between 1038 and 1039, In Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I (Age 48 years) |
| Mother |
Stephanie (Adelaide) De Barcelona, b. Abt 1010, Barcelona, Spain d. Yes, date unknown |
| Marriage |
Bef 1025 [3, 4] |
| Family ID |
F31155 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 1 |
Adeliza Di Savona, b. Abt 1052, Savona, Genoa, Italy d. Bef 1075, Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England (Age 23 years) |
| Marriage |
1st Wife |
| Children |
| | 1. Adeliza De Toni, b. Abt 1072, Of Hinckley, Leicestershire, England d. Aft 1135, Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England (Age 64 years) |
| | 2. Robert De Todeni, b. Abt 1071 d. Yes, date unknown |
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| Family ID |
F21999 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
2 Jan 2010 |
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| Notes |
- Robert [de Toeni], called de Stafford; held by 1086 nearly 70 manors in Staffs, more than 25 in Warwicks, more than 20 in Lincs, 10 in Oxon, one in Worcs and one in Northants; built what later became known as Belvoir Castle; allegedly married Avice de Clare, and died probably 1088. [Burke's Peerage]
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Even though BP, above states that they are the same person, there is no definite proof either way. One person in soc.genealogy.medieval has speculated that Robert of Belvoir was son of Roger de Toeni by his Spanish 1st wife, while Robert de Stafford was a younger son by his 2nd wife Godheut. It makes sense to me, which is why I have portrayed my pedigree that way.
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Amongst the most distinguished companion in arms of the Conqueror was Robert de Todeni, a nobleman of Normandy, upon whom the victorious monarch conferred, with numerous other grants, an estate in the county of Lincoln upon the borders of Leicestershire. Here de Todeni erected a stately castle and, from the fair view it commanded, gave it the designation of Belvoir Castle, and here he established his chief abode. At the time of the General Survey, this powerful personage possessed no less than eighty extensive lordships, viz., two in Yorkshire, one in Essex, four in Suffolk, one in Cambridge, two in Hertfordshire, three in Bucks, four in Gloucestershire, three in Bedfordshire, nine in Northamptonshire, two in Rutland, thirty-two in Lincolnshire, and seventeen in Leicestershire. "of this Robert," saith Dugdale, "I have not seen any other memorial than that the Coucher-Book of Belvoir recordeth: which is, that bearing a venerable esteem to our sometime much celebrated protomartyr, St. Alban, he founded near to his castle a priory for monks and annexed it as a cell to that great abbey in Hertfordshire, formerly erected by the devout King Offa in honour of that most holy man." Robert de Todeni, Lord of Belvoir, d. in 1088, leaving issue by his wife Adela, William, who assumed the surname of Albini; Berenger; Geoffrey; Robert; and Agnes. He was s. by his eldest son, William de Albini, Brito, Lord of Belvoir. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 160, Daubeney, Barons Daubeney, Earl of Bridgewater]
Note: Robert was father of Adeliza, who married Roger Bigod and had Cecily, who married William de Albini. William did succeed Robert as Lord of Belvoir, but as a grandson-in-law, not as a son as Sir Bernard Burke states in "Dormant & Extinct Peerages" above.
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The following information was in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:
Robert de Tosny. Founder of Belvoir Castle. Holdings in 13 counties from Herts. north. [Ref: Domesday Online]
Robert de Todeni, one of the Norman barons who came into England in 1066 as a standard bearer of Duke William, was the founder of this renowned, ancient family. For his distinguished services at Hastings, the victorious monarch rewarded him with the eight lordships he possessed in twelve counties at the time of the first General Survey of England. On one of his estates in Lincolnshire, near the border of Leicestershire, he erected a castle which he named Belvoir, from its commanding position, and this became his chief seat. He died in 1088, leaving by his wife, Adela, a son, William. [Ref: McBride2 citing Wurts Vol I p39-42]
Robert de TOSNY, of Belvoir. Died About 1093. Held Belvoir, Leics, at the Domesday Survey. Robert was related to the Tosnys of Flamstead but it is not known for certain what this relationship was. It is highly likely that he was the son of the Roger (see ID 5134) who married Stephanie of Barcelona as he had a brother and a son both named 'Berengar'. [Ref: Richard Borthwick 14 Jul 1999 citing Keats-Rohan Domesday People I:164, 380-381, Sanders p12]
Research note 1: father: Raoult de Toeni or Tosny, Castellan of Tillieres Castle (ancestry unk). [Ref: Turton] (caveat emptor)
Reseach note 2: The father of Robert de Todeny/Toeny of Belvoir is subject to much speculation, but no direct evidence. [Ref: TAF 31 Mar 2002] note: 'yet' should be the last word in that sentence... Curt
Regards,
Curt
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| Sources |
- [S1328] Schwennicke, Detlev, ES, (Marburg, Germany: J. A. Stargardt Verlag, 1980-), 3:705 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1629] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charl, 2680 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1629] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charl, 2679 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1634] Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great, XII/1:757 (Reliability: 3).
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