 - Aft 1295
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| Name |
Helen Verch Llewelyn Of Wales |
| Prefix |
Princess |
| Gender |
Female |
| Death |
Aft Feb 1295 |
Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland  [2] |
| Person ID |
I69912 |
Cecilie Family |
| Last Modified |
2 Mar 2009 |
| Family 2 |
Earl Donald De Mar, b. Abt 1243, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland d. Aft 25 Jul 1297, Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland (Age 54 years) |
| Marriage |
Abt 1269 |
2ND Husband [2] |
| Children |
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| Family ID |
F30343 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
2 Mar 2009 |
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| Notes |
- Helen, daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41-5]
Helen or Elen, illegitimate daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, widow of Malcolm, Earl of Fife. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41b-5]
This Helen was illegitimate and born very late- shortly before Llewellyn's death.
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His [Donald 6th Earl of Mar's] wife, and mother of Isabel, was Helen, widow of Malcolm, 7th Earl of Fife, d. 1266, and daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of North Wales. Helen's first husband must have been an old man when she married him, for he succeeded his uncle in 1228. When he died, his son and heir was Colban, the 8th Earl, then under age, who had been knighted in his teens in 1264. Colban was married in his nonage, for when he died in 1270, when he could not have been more than 24, his heir was his son Duncan, aged 8. (Mr. Balfour Paul believes Colban's wife Alice was one of three daughters and co-heirs of Sir Alan Durward. If so, his issue shared with the Soulis family the descent from Alexander II of Scotland. However, since the line of his heir Duncan has died out, remaining descendants of this line would stem from younger children of Colban and Alice, if there were any.) The Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, who was successively the wife of Malcolm and of Donald, and mother of the children of both, appears clearly the daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth but must not be confused with his daughter Helen, successively the wife of John le Scot, Earl of Chester, and of Robert de Quincy, whose mother was Princess Joan. [Ancestral Roots, Line 252-30]
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| Sources |
- [S1484] Ashley, Mike, Ashley (1998), (New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers, 1998.), p. 331, 548 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1629] Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charl, 1853 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1631] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th, 252-30 (Reliability: 3).
- [S1630] Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis,, 41b-5 (Reliability: 3).
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